Exactly. And let's not forget about their astronimcal murder rate.
Border Agent Shoots and Kills 14 yr Old Border Jumper
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Exactly. And let's not forget about their astronimcal murder rate.
Illegally entering a country should not be an offense punishable by death, when did life become so cheap regardless of age, sex or ethnicity. And saying someone deserves to be killed for jumping a fence is ridiculous, if you was to say the same about someone walking into a police station armed I might agree. We had a similar situation here in the UK in 2005 when Brazilian Jean Charles De Menezes was mistaken for a terrorist and gunned down by police, rather than question the whole operation (which was full of mistakes) people were saying if he'd gone home when his VISA expired he would still be alive, can't believe the lack of compassion people show in this day and age. Also reminds me of when Iran captured British sailors in their waters and after a few days released them (they milked the propaganda). By your logic they should've been able to blow that ship out of the water the second it crossed into Iranian waters, do you really want to be seen as a nation that doesn't value non-American lives no matter how pressing the whole immigration issue may be?
America has probably been violated more than any country on earth by their southern neighbor. Actually, there are towns in America that look more like Mexico now. Our culture has been trashed. :2 cents:
While I think that all immigration should be stopped except in a very small important and strategically selective amount based on certain individuals because the US already has too many people and won't be sustainable in the future because of population growth, and I think every potential immigrant should be looked at on an individual basis despite where they are. However, for what you said you would have to somehow look past the fact people on average from places like Germany and the UK tend to be a lot more educated, have a lot more wealth, have a lot more resources, and have a lot more high end skills than somebody from somewhere like Mexico.
I will also say there is a very good reason we should regulate immigration. Once is that resources and space are limited. Another is that not all places in the world have the same laws or quality of life. Having freedom to freely go to Mexico or someplace like North Korea or China doesn't really mean that much unlike if somebody had to freedom to come here any stay as long as they wanted any old time they liked, besides being able to go to Mexico and make a couple dollars and hour doesn't seem like an advantage. Your whole never regulate anything way of thinking just never works out for the good of most people in the real world. Even forgetting the argument that people going wherever they are is some sort of right, one would also have to somehow discount all the huge negative social and economic ramifications impoverished immigrants cause by coming over, and spare me the whole "We are a land of immigrants stuff." Comparing conditions and situations in the USA in 2010 to conditions in say the 1880s is like comparing apples to bowling balls. Where once there were more resources or institutions just plain didn't exist to have to worry about supporting anybody in the first place, like medical care and education for instance, and there was huge swaths of unused space in prime areas now those factors don't exist anymore.
Legzman
what the fuck you lookin at?
exactly. I've long believed that boarder patrol should be shoot to kill anyway. I've said it before. It's nice to see it done finally!!! Sends a much more powerful message than just deportation. Least this way he won't be trying that shit again!
meesterperfect
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I like D-Rocks post.
For me that is POTW.
It makes perfect sense and also proves that you don't have to use the term "little fucking Mexican indians" to prove a point.
For me that is POTW.
It makes perfect sense and also proves that you don't have to use the term "little fucking Mexican indians" to prove a point.
PlasmaTwa2
The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
Hey. I resent that.
It'd be you guys coming up here for our free healthcare and better beer.
meesterperfect
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you guys still aint seeing the scenario.
I believe we had mexican police chasing border agents at gunpoint while mexicans are shouting and throwing rocks and firecrackers which could be easily mistaken for gunfire.
in that situation a lot could happen.
I believe we had mexican police chasing border agents at gunpoint while mexicans are shouting and throwing rocks and firecrackers which could be easily mistaken for gunfire.
in that situation a lot could happen.
Exactly right. I know guys that are ex-CBP, and you wouldn't be so quick to judge is you knew the things that these guys put up with on a daily basis. :thumbsup:
meesterperfect
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Yeah and its really sick that so many would just automatically side with the corrupt mexican GOV or just simplty the mexicans in general in this situation without even thinking twice.
If they were a member of the Corleone family we'd have to take them out on the lake in a dingy and shoot them.
If they were a member of the Corleone family we'd have to take them out on the lake in a dingy and shoot them.
Actually calling Mexicans "indians" is spot on in several cases. To say that he was a "Mexican indian," in all likelihood, is 100% correct. Indigenous peoples have inhabited Mexico since pre-colombian times, as far back as 600-700 AD. Groups such as the Olmec, Toltec, Aztec, Mayans, Zapotec, Mixtec, Nahuatl, etc. have dominated certain regions of the Mexican state for more than 2,000 years. So to call the individual a Mexican indian, may well be completely accurate. In certain places, in fact, indigenous, or peoples of "indian" heritage are the most dominant groups. In places like Yucatan, 59% of the population is indigenous; followed by Oaxaca at 48%; Quintana Roo at 39%; Chiapas & Campeche around 28% apiece (And keep in mind that these are some of the poorest regions in Mexico. And the rights of indigenous Mexicans have been marginalized more and more throughout the previous decades (see: Chiapas) thus, the inhabitants have an increased incentive to illegally immigrate to the US). In 2000 it was estimated that there existed more than 60 disticnt indigenous groups throughout Mexico, comprising upwards of 10,000,000 people, not even mentioning the North American indigenous groups that migrated to Mexico from the United States in the nineteenth century and those who immigrated from Guatemala in the 1980s.
But, yeah. You're a racist. (Hopefully, you're picking up on my sarcasm here.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Mexico
That means next to nothing.
Well, hey, when it comes to fucking chicks you're all for diversity, eh?
Great post, and thanks for reminding us of the Jean Charles De Menezes case. I wonder how many here reflexively sided with the British cops on that one?
You're never terribly clear, mp.
Breeding "like rats" - nice Hitler-style rhetoric there, btw!
Mexico's total fertility rate is about 2.31 or less. Not a great deal higher than the USA's of 2.06. Colombia's is 2.18.
As for the "uneducated" claim...
Mexico's literacy rate is 91%. Colombia's is 91.4%.
Mexico's educational expenditures are 5.5% of GDP. Colombia's is 4.7%
In the USA, Glenn Beck is one of the highest rated shows on a news channel.
I'm not sure how many people on here are even on the side that is critical of this to begin with, but I don't see anyone defending the Mexican government or trying to justify the actions of the mexicans.
To me this is an issue of excessive force and overstepping authority by a law enforcement officer; immigration issues or nationality are irrelevant in this instance, and I would feel the same way if the situation was reversed (meaning a Mexican official shooting a citizen on US territory. although I think that would get a much different response from many others here). The only reason that I had cause to talk about those issues was because they were being used to support the actions of this officer.
Are you really arguing the merits of Mexico's educational system? I understand the point you're making here, but let's have some objectivity. Literacy is such a simplistic gauge of education, with almost 0 correlation between the 2. My 4 year old cousin is functionally literate, but I wouldn't say that he's educated. Even so, a literacy rate of 91% in a popultion of more than 111 million, such as in Mexico, still faces the reality that there are more than 10,000,000 illiterate individuals (nearly 1 out of every 10 people is illiterate? That's a pretty big number when taken in perspective). Here in the US for example, we have roughly 3 times the population of Mexico, yet have 1/3 of illiteracy numbers (not a per capita percentage, actual raw numbers), with a population around 310 million, and a literacy rate of better than 99%. As well, in Mexico, only 2.3 million people, or roughly 2% of the population is enrolled in post secondary schools (i.e. high school or above), whereas in the US that number is more than 17.5 million or, better than 6%. And simply because a country spends money on a educational system by no means reflects effective spending that makes any significant differences in the overall education of the population. I think its fair to say that a decent portion of the Mexican population is perhaps not uneducated, but rather under-educated.
And aside from all else, if Mexico has such a brilliant educational system, why is it that the last 2 Mexican Presidents (Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderon) both completed their educations at American universities?
:glugglug:
Reminds me of the "Cuba healthcare superior!!!" garbage that some people pushed.
Nobody ever visited the hospitals the ordinary citizens had to go to nor did they admit that the average person had to bring ALL items for surgery themselves in order to be operated on. Yeah real superior communist crap.
meesterperfect
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hey you guys know that i'm not as serious I come off as.
I do mean all of what I say but there is a strong element of sarcasm and parody in what I say also.
I'm somewhat of a baiter I know.
nice research fk and plump rump, cal I know you see both sides and go with your heart.
my final post.
if this agent intentionally aimed shot and killed an unarmed person well i suppose thats murder.
if all hell was breaking loose and he fired indiscriminatley in the crowd thats probably a crime too.
If he had reason to feel his safety or life was in danger thats another thing and probably was justified.
maybe we'll find out. probably not.:hatsoff:
I do mean all of what I say but there is a strong element of sarcasm and parody in what I say also.
I'm somewhat of a baiter I know.
nice research fk and plump rump, cal I know you see both sides and go with your heart.
my final post.
if this agent intentionally aimed shot and killed an unarmed person well i suppose thats murder.
if all hell was breaking loose and he fired indiscriminatley in the crowd thats probably a crime too.
If he had reason to feel his safety or life was in danger thats another thing and probably was justified.
maybe we'll find out. probably not.:hatsoff:
Jane Burgess
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I am waiting for the real video to come out. I have seen a cell phone video they claim was from this shooting, but the quality was piss poor even for a cell phone. You could not tell what was really going on.
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