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Yea, I don't understand her either on that, the only reason I can think of, she is like she says mixed up in her mind, no strong backbone and no strong own will to decide it wrong what he does. I would never let that happen to myself, but we women differ from eachother, i'm not prude or so, but I'm neither someone who would let just anyone touch me. But i can understand there are women like Laura, to understand her complete we should also learn about her past, her youth, why she is like that today.
Sure this could happen eventually, but it should have started with her having an orgasm ruined because he popped into her head. Then maybe next time she fights thoughts of him off and is able to cum while thinking of mc. It should have been gradual at least. We went from 0 to 100 in one kiss...all while her mc affection is still 100%.
 

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it might quite literally be stockholm syndrome if you think about it
That requires isolation. Months of nothing but abuse while seeing no one else who treats you well. Then they come to believe that behavior Is love. She's being shown what love is constantly.
 

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Basically for me your girl getting blackmailed and hating it and hating the guy is an acceptable level of ntr because i get to live a hero fantasy. But this twist where she is going to suddenly start lusting after him...that's a hard pass and I'm betting the vast majority of people on this path feel the same. Him attempting this gentle approach was a good twist...her falling for it is not. It's not awful yet...but I highly doubt it's going to end soon and if she can't stop thinking about him after one kiss then what's going to happen now after he ate her out. She's going to start thinking about him all the time now. I bet we find out somehow that she starts thinking about him during sex soon...and that shouldn't be on the lovers path...and if it is then the path name is a lie and I don't want anything to do with it anymore.
 
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I'm with you on that, to be honest as woman myself, that guy would never been able to do that to me, I would just smacked the fucker in his face and reported him, least in these days you have more protection as woman. Still find it funny how japanese games still can make such women abuse games, where managers have power over them. Though i don't think Nosyfellow is asian, but not sure.
You can see a lot in hentai that the girl is beeing blackmailed cause the other guy has a photo of her kissing her boyfriend or going to a motel with her boyfriend...hilarious
 
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Well it normal for us woman to wash us after sex, least i don't want to reek whole day after sperm and sex. Also she probably was ashamed to let it happen again, she does love her MC and doesn't want him to see her like that. But like I said the moment they start liking it even it still ashame them, it hard for women to dislike it also, specialy if he was better then their partner. It hard to explain, it still differ from woman to woman as we not all the same, I would in the first place never let someone blackmail me, and unwanted touches I would report or in my case sue in court. I probably also would slapped him in the face. Laura in this vn only represent maybe 3% of the total abused women, as it messes her up in the mind and she mentioned it also sometimes. MC is just a bit oblivious.
She wasn't having sex, she gave one handjob, one boobjob and one blowjob (in which she swallowed) and I guarantee you she washed thoroughly and rinsed her mouth out in the bathroom right after...likely with mouthwash that most women already carry in their handbags...quite possibly for this very reason. Most of their interactions on the lovers route are him touching her, or making her wear the vibrators (which she immediately went home and fucked MCs brains out for so no dirty shower there). Those showers were intended to show players that she felt dirty for these acts, that him touching her made her feel disgusting...not that she was ACTUALLY dirty. Based on the pics he uploaded The boobjob is really the only thing where a full shower was going to be mandatory. And then suddenly after one gentle kiss it goes from her feeling dirty to her being so aroused she has to masturbate furiously because she cant stop thinking about him. and let's be honest...soft gentle kisses (which is what she described) are not the furious masturbation inducing kinds of kisses. Hot, passionate, sexy kisses...maybe a woman is that turned on then, but the kiss she described was pretty tame.
 
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She wasn't having sex, she was giving hand jobs an blowjobs and she only gave one of each on my playthrough and I guarantee you she washed thoroughly and rinsed her mouth out in the bathroom right after...likely with mouthwash she started carrying because of this. She was mostly showering after just being touched by him. Those showers were intended to show players that she felt dirty for these acts...not that she was ACTUALLY dirty. And then suddenly after one gentle kiss it goes from her feeling dirty to her being so aroused she has to masturbate furiously because she cant stop thinking about him.
In Laura's case the reason she wash herself is because of shame, she loves the MC deeply, yet she let another man defile her, and thus she feels dirty, and feeling dirty leads to her washing her complete and especialy the places he touched her. But also woman compare men with eachother and if Matt is on all parts better then her partner is they will start liking it more what Matt does then what her partner does. But to analyze Laura complete you need to know, who wrote her, was it a man or woman, then a woman or man is also molded from birth to present, that all counts in how a character will be what they are in the present, but i'm not a shrink, I can only vision her personality from what I see and my knowledge.

There is a parameter for affection, on love path that obvious should always kept high to 100%, but on other paths that is falling down and you see her love for Matt grow while for her mc fails especialy the NTR path. Another thing is some women get horny from dominant men, and Laura is obvious a submissive woman, that would also be a reason she likes what Matt does to her.
 
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In Laura's case the reason she wash herself is because of shame, she loves the MC deeply, yet she let another man defile her, and thus she feels dirty, and feeling dirty leads to her washing her complete and especialy the places he touched her. But also woman compare men with eachother and if Matt is on all parts better then her partner is they will start liking it more what Matt does then what her partner does. But to analyze Laura complete you need to know, who wrote her, was it a man or woman, then a woman or man is also molded from birth to present, that all counts in how a character will be what they are in the present, but i'm not a shrink, I can only vision her personality from what I see and my knowledge.

There is a parameter for affection, on love path that obvious should always kept high to 100%, but on other paths that is falling down and you see her love for Matt grow while for her mc fails especialy the NTR path. Another thing is some women get horny from dominant men, and Laura is obvious a submissive woman, that would also be a reason she likes what Matt does to her.
OK, so what i said in my previous posts was that she went home and showered every night cause she felt dirty for having to do that...and then the next thing you know with no buildup whatsoever suddenly she's gone from disgust to furious arousal and has to masturbate thinking about the man who's been abusing her for weeks/months just cause he kissed her softly one time. Your next comment in response to mine was to point out that she was likely showering cause women shower after sex...and now after i point out AGAIN that she was showering cause she felt guilty and dirty you come back and tell me the showers was because she felt dirty......your arguing in circles. as to matt being better sexually than MC....HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING TO HER for her to think he's better than the MC at ANYTHING...the only sexual release she got in any of their interactions was from the vibrator he made her wear all day. and now that i say that...the sexual release she got on that day was when mc fucked her when she sprinted home to him afterwards. Up to that kiss the only thing Matt had shown he was any better at than the MC was his comically oversized Cock. We have no reason up to this point in the story to think MC is a slouch in bed either...all the pics of them together she looks like she's enjoying herself a lot. and if the girl is going to become the average NTR cockslut who chases big dicks all day despite the quality of the man attached to the cock then i'm already out.
 
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Isn't it a little disappointing that the ""feature"" that took so much of the development time was just a chat log? I mean, really a chat log took so much time that the story didn't progress?
 

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OK, so what i said in my previous posts was that she went home and showered every night cause she felt dirty for having to do that...and then the next thing you know with no buildup whatsoever suddenly she's gone from disgust to furious arousal and has to masturbate thinking about the man who's been abusing her for weeks/months just cause he kissed her softly one time. Your next comment in response to mine was to point out that she was likely showering cause women shower after sex...and now after i point out AGAIN that she was showering cause she felt guilty and dirty you come back and tell me the showers was because she felt dirty......your arguing in circles. as to matt being better sexually than MC....HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING TO HER for her to think he's better than the MC at ANYTHING...the only sexual release she got in any of their interactions was from the vibrator he made her wear all day. and now that i say that...the sexual release she got on that day was when mc fucked her when she sprinted home to him afterwards. Up to that kiss the only thing Matt had shown he was any better at than the MC was his comically oversized Cock. We have no reason up to this point in the story to think MC is a slouch in bed either...all the pics of them together she looks like she's enjoying herself a lot.
Well you try to see some logic in 1 a NTR/NTS/LOVER VN, 2 not every woman are the same because we all differ from how we raised, where we live and so on 3 Laura is probably written by a man (Nosyfellow). I'm only try to give somewhat logic possibilities of how some women are, and yes there are women that feel ashamed of what they do and wash themself, but still like it what happened, i'm just not one of them. And as much you men like sex, we women like sex too, unless they hardcore prude or have religious influences that see sex as bad and only for reproduction.
 
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Well you try to see some logic in 1 a NTR/NTS/LOVER VN, 2 not every woman are the same because we all differ from how we raised, where we live and so on 3 Laura is probably written by a man (Nosyfellow). I'm only try to give somewhat logic possibilities of how some women are, and yes there are women that feel ashamed of what they do and wash themself, but still like it what happened, i'm just not one of them. And as much you men like sex, we women like sex too, unless they hardcore prude or have religious influences that see sex as bad and only for reproduction.
There should be logic in everything. Otherwise it's poorly written...adn taht's really all im pointing out. Even well written fantasy world have logic...it's fantasy logic that they explain to you, but it's still logic. Writers have the free will to impose any rules they want on their literary world. But if a woman goes from feeling disgusted by a man whos abusing her to suddenly not being able to control herself just cause he kissed her one time...well that should be a route not called LOVERS. I'm not mad that it's in the game...I'm mad that he put it in the only route for people who aren't hardcore NTR fans. Women liking sex has nothing to do with this story...im well aware of how much women like sex...especially in their late 20s and thirties. But she's being abused by him...not fucking him. and for her to go from disgust when thinking about him to intense arousal jsut because of one kiss....that's just bad writing. It's sad too cause the writing up til now has been very engaging.
 

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There should be logic in everything. Otherwise it's poorly written...adn taht's really all im pointing out. Writers have the free will to impose any rules they want on their literary world. But if a woman goes from feeling disgusted by a man whos abusing her to suddenly not being able to control herself just cause he kissed her...well that should be a route not called LOVERS. I'm not mad that it's in the game...I'm mad that he put it in the only route for people who aren't hardcore NTR fans. Women liking sex has nothing to do with this story...im well aware of how much women like sex...especially in their late 20s and thirties. But she's being abused by him...not fucking him.
You should know that Humankind are the most unlogic creature on earth, each human is different have different wants and needs, have different visions, and what for you is truth is for another a lie. Also the body doesn't always agree with a healthy mind and betray eachother, then we have regions we live in they all inlogic with eachother. Even laws differ from region to region. Basicly people want Logic, perfection, order and so on, but actualy create chaos.
 
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There should be logic in everything. Otherwise it's poorly written...adn taht's really all im pointing out. Even well written fantasy world have logic...it's fantasy logic that they explain to you, but it's still logic. Writers have the free will to impose any rules they want on their literary world. But if a woman goes from feeling disgusted by a man whos abusing her to suddenly not being able to control herself just cause he kissed her one time...well that should be a route not called LOVERS. I'm not mad that it's in the game...I'm mad that he put it in the only route for people who aren't hardcore NTR fans. Women liking sex has nothing to do with this story...im well aware of how much women like sex...especially in their late 20s and thirties. But she's being abused by him...not fucking him. and for her to go from disgust when thinking about him to intense arousal jsut because of one kiss....that's just bad writing. It's sad too cause the writing up til now has been very engaging.
Well you try to see some logic in 1 a NTR/NTS/LOVER VN, 2 not every woman are the same because we all differ from how we raised, where we live and so on 3 Laura is probably written by a man (Nosyfellow). I'm only try to give somewhat logic possibilities of how some women are, and yes there are women that feel ashamed of what they do and wash themself, but still like it what happened, i'm just not one of them. And as much you men like sex, we women like sex too, unless they hardcore prude or have religious influences that see sex as bad and only for reproduction.
As illogical as we all are...yes i agree, however i don't believe there is a woman on this planet who is going to go from INTENSE disgust toward the man sexually abusing her (i have to shower now just cause you touched me) to intense lust a few days later just cause he kissed her. I'm going to stop arguing with you though. We've interacted quite a bit in the past on other forums and we usually agree. I'm going to quit before you completely hate me. :p
 

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As illogical as we all are...yes i agree, however i don't believe there is a woman on this planet who is going to go from INTENSE disgust toward the man sexually abusing her (i have to shower now just cause you touched me) to intense lust a few days later just cause he kissed her. I'm going to stop arguing with you though. We've interacted quite a bit in the past on other forums and we usually agree. I'm going to quit before you completely hate me. :p
That's were the body betrays the healthy mind, you don't tell me you never had a hardon seeing another sexy woman then your girlfriend. With women it all about touches that betray our body, in Laura's case Matt seems to be better at touching her then the MC does, the kiss was probably better then with the MC, that messes up ones mind, because the body wants to feel good, so even you love someone so deeply, but that person isn't as good as the other one, it makes the mind go crazy and the body desire the same attention. It hard to explain, but often you have to pleasure yourself when your body is hot and then the best experience of touches will come to mind.

If Laura never wanted this to happen, she should have stand ground and not let him blackmail in the first place and not let him get the upperhand over her in the first place. But the moment she let him touch her, she kinda already messed herself up as her body liked it, but her mind didn't. Another thing Matt is a new manager, new managers don't have that much power to take away benefits from someone who already been in the company for some time and showed being a valuable member for the company, it HR and the CEO who has that power, not a lowby manager, but Laura was to stupid to fall in that trap.
 
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this isn't just some guy who's better at touching her...this is a guy that is continually blackmailing, sexually assaulting and abusing her. and she went from hating it so much she had to shower and clean herself every time he touched her to masturbating while thinking about him in the span of about 3 days and just because of one kiss. I understand that the body betrays the mind. It's not uncommon for a raped woman to orgasm while being assaulted. she's in intense emotional pain, but her body still orgasms. But they don't go home later and masturbate about it.

Edit: oh...and this is nowhere near the same thing as me getting aroused when looking at a random woman.
Yes he is sexually assaulting her, yes he is abusing her, yes he is blackmailing her, for every decent human being this is seen as bad, even by me it seen as bad, but that has nothing to do with how a body reacts, if her body likes it and it makes her horny, then the body force the mind to remember that incident. For a normal being that would be disgusted seeing that happen, and i'm sure Laura feels also disgusted and ashamed, the reason why she cleans herself, but if her body is still horny and hot that doesn't help.

That why I said, if she didn't let it happen from the start it would never came this far. Some people's bodies just get turned on by being hurt, being abused, why you have those people into BDSM, it not because your body don't like it, or your gf's body don't like it, that Laura's body shouldn't like it either. That why we all different, some like that handling, others don't.
 
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Yes he is sexually assaulting her, yes he is abusing her, yes he is blackmailing her, for every decent human being this is seen as bad, even by me it seen as bad, but that has nothing to do with how a body reacts, if her body likes it and it makes her horny, then the body force the mind to remember that incident. For a normal being that would be disgusted seeing that happen, and i'm sure Laura feels also disgusted and ashamed, the reason why she cleans herself, but if her body is still horny and hot that doesn't help.

That why I said, if she didn't let it happen from the start it would never came this far. Some people's bodies just get turned on by being hurt, being abused, why you have those people into BDSM, it not because your body don't like it, or your gf's body don't like it, that Laura's body shouldn't like it either. That why we all different, some like that handling, others don't.
fine...i can agree with most of this, but there is no good ending to this story now. the path is dead because she's not gonna stop thinking about him. she'll likely start thinking about him when she's sleeping with the MC now too adn i don't know anyone on this path who wants to read about that. even if they end the blackmail it's not a good ending if she can't stop fantasizing about someone other than her boyfriend. Sounds more like the start to a cuckold route than the ending to a "lovers" path. As an NTS fan I'm ok with that, but i don't know how you end a lovers route by turning it into an NTS route and call it a good ending.

Edit: well, i guess she could stop thinking about him since it's just a story, but i don't know why dev would introduce this dynamic and then just abandon it. I fully expect her to think about Matt every time she masturbates now...and more than likely while she's fucking MC too. I don't know how that deserves to be titled "lovers" route...unless it was a fake all along and the lovers route is her completely cucking the MC and choosing Matt as her new lover...but that would cause a complete revolt.
 
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fine...i can agree with most of this, but there is no good ending to this story now. the path is dead because she's not gonna stop thinking about him. she'll likely start thinking about him when she's sleeping with the MC now too adn i don't know anyone on this path who wants to read about that. even if they end the blackmail it's not a good ending if she can't stop fantasizing about someone other than her boyfriend. Sounds more like the start to a cuckold route than the ending to a "lovers" path. As an NTS fan I'm ok with that, but i don't know how you end a lovers route by turning it into an NTS route and call it a good ending.

Edit: well, i guess she could stop thinking about him since it's just a story, but i don't know why dev would introduce this dynamic and then just abandon it. I fully expect her to think about Matt every time she masturbates now...and more than likely while she's fucking MC too. I don't know how that deserves to be titled "lovers" route...unless it was a fake all along and the lovers route is her completely cucking the MC and choosing Matt as her new lover...but that would cause a complete revolt.
I think Lovers path just has another branch added to it, so it will depend on MC to make no mistake at all and show Laura how much he loves her and gives her all the attention he can, come more often to her work and such for lunch, pick her up, finaly make work on getting her to live with him and so on. The lesser chances Matt has the better for MC, but if he makes one mistake he can lose her to Matt. It a bit the War of Love.
 
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